unbelievable.... matters presented were really disturbing and hurting... not that information presented in this book is new, but i didn't think it could be this bad... .
especially thins one.. a letter written by the society to all circuit and district overseers.
(p.293)keep in mind that to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views.
dorayakii,
I enjoyed reading your take on this topic. I like the way you think deeply about things, you take me on a clear path to your thought process and convictions. What a privilage you had to be able to see into the workings of a cong. You must understand how strange it is to see all that behavior and things being swept under the rug from the lower ranks! Thanks.
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no this is not another { i am leaving this forum }.
it is just that i no longer am so hungry for the many posts as i once was.
i could not wait to get home and sign on to read all the posts from newbies and the heavy hitters.
outoftheorg,
I wrote a few words before in this thread, but this morning read the whole thread and your other responses.
I am sorry to hear about your wife's problems and with this on her mind she may not have extra time for you right now and that can add to the alianation feelings you might have. And as for worrying about your sons, remember THEY did this to themselves. You can only do what you can do, you cannot change them. It is hard to forget we can only change things that CAN change with our influence. Is your wife the one who usually 'gets you in a better mood' when things get rough? Roles may have to change for a time. You may have to take on the 'come on, get up and keep going' reminder in the house for a while. I am sure you can do it! It just takes concentrating on things 'outside' of one's own needs for a while and concentrate on who and what needs you for a time.
And about your being 70!!! My dad is 76 and he beat cancer 14 years ago (was given 6 months to live back then). Within the last 15 years we finally have a relationship because of his life-scare he made amends when he found out he had cancer. I got to know him (after abandoning us years ago). So, now that I am close to him I feel his pain with the cancer treatment aftermath on his body. He is in pain every day to the tune of 75mg of morphine twice a day and still is in pain. He got a scare two weeks ago, and the biopsy said not cancer. He was already saying 'good-bye' to me he thought he was on 'borrowed time'. He LOVES to work on antique cars and thought he had to give that up. This is what I told him and I hope it will help you. 'Dad, go get the tests, rest and wait for the Doctor's diagnosis. I won't accept from you the idea it's over because you run off with this idea in your head. Now, when the tests come back and they tell you the cancer has not returned, you get your medication adjusted for YOUR needs and then go to the next car show (happened to be in a few weeks from then) and look for another antique car to work on and DREAM about your cars, look at them, touch them and love them. Cancer cannot take that away from you!' Anyway, the tests came back OK, he went to the car show, has found a car (not from the show) that needs him (to fix up) and he is on top again. He said 'I thought my life was over' I said 'Dad, it's over when it's over, in the meantime LIVE'. If you still have your health, you are RICH! We all can't be rich in everything, but I am sure all of us here can count a few things we have that others don't YOUNG OR OLDER - NONE of us have it ALL! You have way more than my dad and you are younger than him! That's a start!
I didn't mean to make this post long. I was trying to deliver a short 'pep talk'. Oh well... But I think that being 70 is still YOUNG in this time in the world. You are alive as long as you are breathing! What are your hobbies, what was your passion (besides young gals). And, do you get sunshine? Or do you sit at the computer for hours (can drive anyone nuts!) Do you like to read, fix things, make things? I am 56 and when I hear a man saying he is 70 I don't think that is old! The time-clock ticks for ALL of us outoftheorg, you are NOT ALONE, JWs, non JWs, worldly, wicked... "time and unforseen occurance befall us all"! If you are alive (if you are reading this post, there is a great chance you are!) then concentrate on living. Sounds easy and a trifle thing to do, just try it before knocking it. OK? You like humor, got any good jokes? Maybe you could post some!
Lighten up on yourself and stop expecting so much from yourself, be easier on yourself and learn to love you for just being you! No one here expects you to be perfect! You think you got it bad, Hey, hear the one about the two flies sitting on the edge of the toilet seat? One flew away and the other one got pissed off! A four year old told my friend that one! Ha ha! try going here and reading some of this explanation from the http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/atpol.htm http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/ forum.out of the box
years ago i was driving down the highway one night, listening to a radio talk show host.. he had some time to kill, so he said to the audience, "i know, let's talk about liver!
how many of you out there like liver?
and if you do like liver, do you have a favorite recipe.".
When my dad was in the Army in Alaska he was a cook for a while on base. He used to fix the liver for the guys and they could not get enough of it! He fried the liver with cut up apples. After the liver is cooked, throw away the apple pieces because they will have absorbed the blood and liver taste. The liver will taste fresh. I cook it this way and like it better than the heavier taste with bacon or gravy.
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i used to hate hearing the expression "we're all in the same boat".
usually it came up in conversation when you were discussing the state of the world and financial affairs, etc.
i used to particularly hate it when it came from somebody (usually an elder) who had a business and a great deal of money.
Well, the rich people of my old cong NEVER shared! They seemed to stick together by income level, you know you can go away weekends and eat out together after the meetings.
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does a british researcher hold the key to life eternal?.
by rafaela von bredow
the dream of eternal life is as old as mankind.
Your point?
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no this is not another { i am leaving this forum }.
it is just that i no longer am so hungry for the many posts as i once was.
i could not wait to get home and sign on to read all the posts from newbies and the heavy hitters.
outoftheorg,
I did read your posts! Thank you for your insight! I wish you the best!
So, you need a break, so you want to go, so just go. I did notice you and yes, your absence will be noticed, just as you noticed the newbies even if you didn't post! And you will NOT be DFd!!! And you will be welcomed back with open arms when you decide to return!
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unbelievable.... matters presented were really disturbing and hurting... not that information presented in this book is new, but i didn't think it could be this bad... .
especially thins one.. a letter written by the society to all circuit and district overseers.
(p.293)keep in mind that to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views.
I have not read the book yet, but will buy it and read it soon! Thanks for heads up on the info!
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so i was curious, besides leaving the organ, what other life altering decisions have you made that have greatly improved your life, that you wouldn't have made were you still under the "sheep" mentality?.
for me, divorcing my ex, taking a chance to get involved with anyone again, and working at fulfilling my lifelong goal of running my own business (non cleaning or menial labor related).
my self worth and confidence has absolutely increased for acting on these decisions..
I follow suit, divorce!
Then, back to school and thinking for myself and making my own decisions without someone judging them. And I LOVE NOT BEING WATCHED everywhere I go! (like you miss a meeting and someone sees you at the store the next day and you seem well enough to walk, then you should have been there!).
I LOVE making the friends that RELATE to ME and not just lip service because we are stuck together in the same cong. So, my relationships are better, more tailored to my real life. I do not behave this way here and that way there etc. I AM ME ALL THE TIME good or bad and being living the truth that I am a human being created with flaws and trying to live my life the best way I know how. And when I say 'I'm sorry, or that's my fault I forgot' it's the truth! What you see is what you get!
Oh, and the best part, the perfect man I met, became best friends and now my wonderful supportive and caring husband. His family all are so supportive and loving (all 9 brothers and their wives, kids...) My kids love me again...
And I should not forget to mention... I found this board and you guys!
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a pioneer sister just emailed me a new experience this morning.
i just wanted to post is to see if anyone recognized it as a generic jw experience or if it was genuine.
how are things...i hope all is well with each one of you.
Berean,
I know this experience to be absolutely true since I heard of it happening at least twice before with other releases in the last thirty years or so. The experience was almost word for word, therefore, it had to be an actual experience and the truth.
Are you trying to say that this type of experience happened ONLY once, and it has been talked about twice in 30 yrs??? Or was it happening twice in 30 years? So, the first experience like this happened about 30 yrs ago and one more time since, and it is being 'released' as 'news' in today's 'new word'??? There is NOTHING NEW to report??? That says a LOT about the borg!
That experience was not that fantastic, and if it was the 'truth' org then why wouldn't it be said 'oh another one did that today, ho hum?
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a pioneer sister just emailed me a new experience this morning.
i just wanted to post is to see if anyone recognized it as a generic jw experience or if it was genuine.
how are things...i hope all is well with each one of you.
jgnat, I agree with your post!
There are so many experiences like this out there! Many people need so much in the begining but their solution is SO MUCH more than a few answers can give. They need MORE than a bible study, they need support, family and love!
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